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Rise of Isengard Virtue Changes from Gamescom

Thanks for CSTM for posting this on twitter! Below is another video shot from the demo machines over at Gamescom showing some of the new things for Wargs, but also our first look at the revamped Virtues. We expected there would be some changes, so take a look at the video and then below for the numbers. And of course, like everything else in beta things these are fluid and will most likely change. But, this might give you a head start if you want to switch up your virtues a bit and need to do some in-game work

The number in parenthesis is the rank of the virtue on the demo machine

Compassion (12) +648 Physical Mitigation, +360.9 nCPR, +162 Tactical Mitigation
Charity (12) +2070 Resistance Rating, +388.8 Physical Mitigation, +240.6 nCPR
Zeal (12) +338 Morale, +388.8 Physical Mitigation, +180 Armour
Wisdom (12) +36 Will, +48.6 iCPR, +621 Resistance Rating
Valour (12) +338 Morale, +486.5 nCPR, +9 Might
Tolerance (12) +486 Tactical Mitigation, +18 Agility, +45 iCMR
Innocence (12) +648 Physical Mitigation, +1034 Resistance Rating, +162 Tactical Mitigation
Patience (12?) +64.8 iCPR, +1034 Resistance Rating, +216 Physical Mitigation
Mercy (12?) +480 nCPR, +292 Tactical Mitigation, +9 Agility
Loyalty (12) +36 Vitality, +73 Power, +180 Armour
Justice (12?) +90 iCMR, +170 Morale, +324.4 nCMR
Idealism (12) +36 Fate, +1034 Resistance Rating, +9 Will
Honour (12) +2070 Resistance Rating, +292 Tactical Mitigation, +9 Vitality
Honesty (12) +145 Power, +324 Armour, +9 Fate
Fortitude (12) +647.1 nCMR, +18 Might, +621 Resistance Rating
Fidelity (12) +486 Tactical Mitigation, +18 Vitality, +37 Power
Empathy (12) +540 Armour – rest not shown
Discipline (12) +36 Might, +1034 Resistance Rating, +216 Physical Mitigation
Determination (12) +36 Agility, +67.5 iCMR, +86 Morale
Confidence (12) +2070 Resistance Rating, +18 Will, +32.4 iCPR

As I read these, here’s how I see the new naming convention:

Physical Mitigation is the new combination of the current Ranged and Melee Defence ratings
Resistance Rating is the new combination of the old fear, poison, wound, and fear resistances

In looking these over, there definitely are some traits that I never slotted that are looking more appealing:

Patience looks REAL nice now
Honour looks good for tanking builds
Fidelity also is looking nice
Confidence might move from a sometimes used to a never remove !
Wisdom got quite a boost

I’m really liking the fact that iCPR is now part of the virtues as that should give players a big boost if they need it.

Also shown were the class traits with set-bonuses missing for slotting 6 and 7 traits deep. This might be a bug on their side, or a hint at further trait bonuses coming?

Finally 2 items were shown that are PvMP rewards:

Level 75 Ring (Rank 4 requirement) – +61 Agility and Vitality, +142 Power, +598 Finesse Rating, +196.8 Resistance Rating

Level 75 Ring (Rank 6 requirement) – +61 Agility and Vitality, +258 Morale, +398 Finesse Rating, +166 Melee and Ranged Offense Rating.

These 2 I’m assuming are a set with a bonus of +494 Physical and Tactical Mitigation if both are worn.

Some cool stuff for sure, can’t wait to see more!

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#1 written by Nybling 8 months ago

Zeal looks a lot better too. +388 Morale, with Armour and Physical Mitigation? That’s superior to Valour now, and Valour was one of those traits that everybody slotted for the extra morale. Now you can just chuck in Zeal, get 50 more morale, and much more survivability.

Wisdom getting ICPR is great. Was wondering when they were going to stick in ICPR on virtues since ICMR has been on other virtues.

I agree with you on Confidance too.

Damn, almost wish they’d open up a 6th Virtue slot. They ought to considering the 5th one opens up at what.. 29? :p

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- #2 written by DocHoliday 8 months ago
  
  I was hoping for other virtue and class slots as well – there was talk on the forums about it, but I never saw a blue-name comment either way. Nor have we seen any shots of that panel to know for sure.
  
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  - #3 written by Nybling 8 months ago
    
    Yea, the people there were asking for a 4th Legendary slot, which I think may be asking for a lot (though I wouldn’t be disagreeable to that idea as Lore-masters really only have 2 legendary slots… Staff & Sword is a must-have, and I think RKs are in that position too).
    
    But Mirkwood gave us no new trait slots and now we’re getting another 10 levels, so I hope something gets added.
    
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    - #4 written by DocHoliday 8 months ago
      
      Yeah, the additional legendary would be quite a bit – but another virtue and class trait would be quite nice
      
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  - #5 written by Erik 8 months ago
    
    Back in the beta for LotRO, there were 7 virtue slots. If you look at the progression at which the slots open, you can see that at 33 (I think) and 41, there should be two additional slots as they open every 2 levels.
    
    I believe they were removed for “balance” reasons back in the day.
    
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    - #6 written by DocHoliday 8 months ago
      
      Yeah, we can all hope though I’m just looking for some more ways to progress and grow our characters.
      
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#7 written by Crell 8 months ago

Maybe Its just me.. but I’m pretty sure the 6-7 bonus is refering to a gear set, not to any kind of trait selection.

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- #8 written by DocHoliday 8 months ago
  
  That might make more sense – it was from a hunter, another class I know very little about…
  
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#9 written by BundDerFreunde 8 months ago

It’s my video so I know that it is a traitbonus. With every “blue” skill you get -2%bow induction…so that’s the bonus on 5,6 and 7 …
5 -> -2% ; 6->-2%;7->-2%

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- #10 written by DocHoliday 8 months ago
  
  oh wow, so if you go 7 deep you -6% induction? I kinda like the concept of that, no clue how good it really is for hunters though
  
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  - #11 written by BundDerFreunde 8 months ago
    
    Well actually -14% ^^ -2% for each blue trait…but we will see..I think they did this because they took the -10% from increased fleetness…or the other way around
    
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    - #12 written by BundDerFreunde 8 months ago
      
      every hunter that does equip increased fleetness activates it continuous …so this is actually a increased increased fleetness
      
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      - #13 written by BundDerFreunde 8 months ago
        
        yeah I keep replying to myself sry. There is a traitbonus -10% with 2 blue traits equiped…so either we get -24% O.o or it’s still a bug because I heard the -2% for each blue trait belongs to “swift bow”…
        
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- #14 written by Nybling 8 months ago
  
  LOL, makes me wonder what the Lore-master red-line bonuses are going to be.
  
  Not that I don’t love having 2 blue traits, but some more pew-pew for soloing up to 75 is never a bad thing.
  
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#15 written by BundDerFreunde 8 months ago

(ever “blue” TRAIT of course)

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#16 written by Raedwulf 8 months ago

There’s an error in your list. The screenshot clearly shows that Zeal gives +338 Mor, same as Valour. I think you’ve typo’d because the Phys Mit is also 388. You also typo’d Fare instead of Fate on Honesty – I mention that only so that I can say gratz, cos you appear to be getting widely quoted with the same typo’s appearing!

I’ve done some brief analysis on this (available in The Pub section of my Alliance site). Very little changes in truth. The only Virtue that’ different is Zeal. It currently has 2 Resistance buffs (Strong Disease, Weak Poison) so they’ve changed the Strong to Morale. iCMR has received a 50% increase over the current rates; other than that, progressions are the same so you can extrapolate Empathy with high confidence; iCPR has replaced one set of Str / Med / Weak iCPR buffs (it’s currently 19 buffs over 20 Virtues with oCPR being repeated).

All of that does make a difference to what’s attractive. I stopped slotting Valour after Moria – Mitigation is fair more valuable than a chunk of Morale that any Sig+ will bite out of your hide in one crit – but it’s now even less valuable in comparison to Zeal. Innocence is still King. Honour and, especially, Compassion are much more valuable than they were; Idealism less so now that iCPR is present as a distinct buff.

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- #17 written by DocHoliday 8 months ago
  
  thanks for the catches – and yeah either i was confusing it for Physical or just fat-fingered the wrong number
  
  I’ve been occasionally using Valour as an additional cushion on my morale pool since some of my other virtues just aren’t where they need to be.
  
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#18 written by Heron 8 months ago

Does anyone know the situation on the changes to deeds to get the virtues? All I know for sure from a turbine employee post on the forums is that deeds that are completed are not going to be effected. However the Moria (and possibly other) deeds that are not completed at the time of the update will be reset . Do we know if it is just the Moria deeds or others also. Have heard it may be any prior deeds that have +2 virtue ranks as well.
I want to know what deeds I really need to complete now to get virtue ranks that may not be available or have to restart.

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- #19 written by DocHoliday 8 months ago
  
  there are changes to some of the Moria deeds, but I haven’t seen a full list. I don’t believe my virtues changed, and one of the forum posts I saw for any losses they saw there were corresponding gains such that the net was zero. And I think it might have been maybe two or three ranks at most.
  
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#20 written by Farabold 8 months ago

Did anyone notice that the current rank of the virtue was 12 but if the format of the display is the same as now, the (19) in parens after the current rank indicates that they have leveled it up to 19 and only 12 is currently available for some reason?

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- #21 written by DocHoliday 8 months ago
  
  I think they changed the display a bit in that previously is would show cap + however many levels you have above the cap so it would be 10+1. The virtue cap now is 12, and I’m assuming those characters were auto-granted all the virtue levels.
  
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#22 written by BundDerFreunde 8 months ago

*3 traits…sry can’t delete anything here…

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#23 written by DocHoliday 8 months ago

I think I follow you – will be curious to see how this all plays out!

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